causi
The problem isn't spending $40 on a shirt. The problem is spending $10 on a shirt every two weeks. My shirts might average $25-$35 each but most of them are well over five years old and I'm going to keep wearing them until they're visibly damaged. I spend a fraction of what fast-fashion addicts spend on clothes and they last me a long damn time. Fast fashion encourages a culture that makes people spend more money for shitty clothes because they want something new every few days. Vendors like Shein don't exist to clothe economically disadvantaged people; they exist to let people push the dopamine button with retail therapy.
rtlfe
Buying cheap clothes and wearing them until they fall apart is fine. Buying cheap clothes and wearing them once is not. Lower class people are not the ones causing problems with fast fashion.
Green_man
As a poor college student, I was surprised hearing the stores I went to described as fast fashion. For me, thrift stores or hand me downs were the sensible choice for clothes, and h&m or forever21 were splurges for $30 pants or whatever. Obviously the price points and quality that these fast fashion brands output don't lend themselves to being deliberate, long term "investments", but spending twice as much on pants that I was already hesitant to buy was unthinkable.

I also think buying some chinos or button down shirts at these places made it a lot cheaper to get business casual work clothes as I transitioned from fast food/retail to actual internships etc. I think it's really good for young people or people turning their life around to have very low barriers to entry when it comes to "looking respectable" or fitting in with the workplace as they grow, and fast fashion helped do that for me (and some of this could be addressed by loosening dress codes if you're hiring college students/young people/whatever).

Manfred
You can be against fast fashion and be empathetic with people who can’t afford expensive clothes. There is a way to inform people of the consequences of their choices without blaming them for making the choice.
alkonaut
What’s “fast fashion” and what class do I belong to when I don’t know?

Edit: yes I’m aware the article attempts to explain it and Google offers the same but I still don’t get how a fashion trend can change in a matter of days.

throwaway22032
It's classist by definition to be against fast fashion because that's what class _is_. "We don't do that sort of thing".

The headline seems needlessly provocative, really.

If class X thinks that it's OK to do Y, but I think Y is abhorrent, that might well be classist, and frankly I don't give a toss.

The real question is whether more sustainable materials are unaffordable to poor people. The answer is quite clearly no.

gchamonlive
It's fine to be a critic of fast fashion. Of any type of enterprise for that matter.

We should try, however, not to blame consumers for industry practices.

Consumers are not the ones breaking deals and actually profiting from child and slave labour exploitation and from garbage overproduction. They just legally shop on government licensed stores.

It should be society role as a whole to protect consumers from even being able to buy such products, through quality assurance laws and requisites. The only reason why there even are those types of products in the first place is because society as a whole is complacent about it.

Yes, you can choose to consume consciously, and that is fine for you, but make no mistake, that doesn't come close to solving the larger problem and doesn't give you any sort of moral high ground from which to look down upon those that can't or won't do the same.

alexb_
I think a lot of people have personal preferences that they feel compelled to justify morally in some way in order to rid any cognitive dissonance that could happen. So they make up reasons that it's "-ist" to be against what they like, so that they can feel good about themselves while in their own head thinking they are making the "best choice". For example, people who don't like bike lanes saying that bike lanes are ableist. Or in this case, someone who likes fast fashion saying that it's classist to be against fast fashion.

It's okay to have preferences. You don't have to justify morally literally every single thing that you ever do. And you especially don't have to say that anyone against your preferences is, in some way or another, being unjust.

TGRush
The Problem isnt fast fashion itself, its the way Ultra Fast Fashion companies like Shein blatantly steal designs from smaller designers, have horrible work ethics, and do TONS of green washing

If you understand German, I'd watch Simplicissimus's video on this, it's quite well made in my opinion

throw_m239339
It's interesting, that recent use of Marxist rhetoric in favor of mass market consumerism and ultra-capitalism. Advocates of all sort, big corporation PR, and the charity or "influencers" they finance, all are using these cheap 'inclusive' PR tricks in order to put poor people against one another and appear to be moral while making record private profits.

They all "care" about classism while ignoring the human, social or ecological cost of their business model. But you can't question the latter, just call people who question all that "haters" in insidious ways.

nemo44x
Where does it end though? We have grades of quality at different price points for many things:

- organic, free range chicken that cost $20 vs factory farmed birds that cost $6.

- quality furniture built to last generations vs disposable brands like IKEA

- most materials homes are made of line windows, siding, etc.

I’ve always found it odd that clothing is the 1 thing mostly pointed out and I suspect that those on top of fashion trends who pay too dollar for the latest thing are sick of seeing the masses be able to wear derivative articles so quickly.

Nothing kills fashion more quickly than as it becomes more and more accessible to lower economic cohorts.

danjoredd
No, it isn't. Buy a few pieces of clothing that you like, wear them until the threads are paper thin, or it becomes unwearable. Its frugal, it saves money, and its good for the environment.
dangerface
What if instead of throwing them away I give all my clothes to oxfam is fast fashion still a problem?

Im much more worried about e-waste. If it costs more to run than modern hardware thats an issue for those in the used market / developing nations. E-waste becomes useless but when fashion is out of date it doesn't affect its use-fullness.

failrate
I have been wearing some of the same shirts for 20 years. These are not even good shirts. Most of them are e.g. concert T-shirts, promo swag, etc. I must look rather ratty when I am out and about, but I also have essentially one suit and some dress clothes for interviews, special events.
Ligma123
>Is it classist

It's a total mistery to me that people even care about being called any *ist label.

>to be against fast fashion?

This is normal. Talking about overconsumption ofc, not affordable clothing.

Just buy things produced in your country, specially when you know there is decent quality control and work laws that protect workers.

danesparza
Fast fashion is helping to cause enormous economic discrepancies in the world and at the same time is driving consumerism and irresponsible and short sighted business practices leading to global warming. It might be the single worst thing that Americans are responsible for.
wonderwonder
Honestly reading this, fashion sounds exhausting. I just buy the same basic single color shirt in 5 colors from Amazon. They cost ~$15 each. 2 pairs of jeans, a single button down and a few polo shirts and I am set for years.
Ekaros
Should we also attack more traditional fashion? Or maybe fashion in general? It really doesn't matter how quality or ethical clothes are if they are not used for long term.

And no, reselling is no excuse...

wafriedemann
Fast fashion isn't wasteful by definition. That's up to the consumers depending on how they use it. It's easy to just offload your responsibility and blame companies.
qzw
How many pieces of fast fashion is equal to one of those 10-minute private jet flights? How about when 400-ft yachts get “repositioned” across thousands of miles. Why should millionaires and billionaires be the only ones with wasteful lifestyles? Because there aren’t that many of them, relatively speaking?If the earth is doomed anyway, then maybe everyone should get to enjoy the last hurrah, instead of billions of people scrimping so that a handful of oligarchs can fuck the planet over to their heart’s content for a few more years. Sorry, not feeling too optimistic about the future of humanity this morning.
neallindsay
Wow. This is a long article but it's very well-written and handles the nuances of this conversation very well.
dathinab
No, it's expected social bahavior assuming you have ever looked into what consequences fast fashion has.
the_third_wave
Betteridge's law of headlines is an adage that states "Any headline that ends in a question mark can be answered by the word no."

A corollary to this law states that "Any question whether a specific thing equates to one of the many -isms can be answered by the word no"

In other words stop worrying about whether those who like to label people are likely to label you for whatever reason, both because of the fact that they will label you anyway and because those labels don't mean a thing - they convey more about the labeller than about the labelled.

As to the conundrum related to "fast fashion" I'd say it is perfectly normal to consider this a wasteful practice worthy to be shunned. Wear your clothes until they either don't fit or they fall apart at the seams, then repair them and continue wearing them until they are worn. Keep them clean, keep them free from unsightly blemishes and holes/tears/fringes (the last two seem to be fashionable every now and then but they're also quite unhandy). Keep some more fancy pieces around for those occasions where these are called for, care for them in the same way and you're done.

ottoflux
quite simply no. fast fashion is not a requirement for decent inexpensive clothes.
pfdietz
Betteridge's Law, is there anything it can't do?

Obviously, no.

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