siffland
Working in Tech, I love a lot about electric cars. I just have a few issues I cannot seem to overcome (this is a personal ME thing about EV's and some new gas vehicles, your mileage may vary....pun intended).

All new cars spy on you (well most do), but EV's are completely software driven and seem to be more intrusive. I want a car I can connect to the internet when I want to for updates and that is it. I also want android auto and the apple one for my wife, I do not want a proprietary (Tesla) entertainment system.

I want right to repair. It is my car if I spend that much on it, I want to do to it whatever I want.

I want all the equipment in the car to work when i purchase it and no monthly fees (I get it for XM Radio, I am talking like seat heaters and such).

For some reason it also irritates me Tesla can increase mileage with a flip of a switch (Like they were going to do in Florida for a hurricane a while back). So you are telling me they could of been build with smaller batteries and save money and the environment, but they were not so you could have a software upgrade (or was that a monthly payment as well). Also the fact Tesla can remote disable my vehicle, and purchased upgrades do not transfer to the new owner.

I can probably go on and on with my whining, but that is why i still have 2 gas guzzlers and a motorcycle (newest vehicle is 2008, 2005 Honda van has 270,000 miles on it). They are paid for an yes a little maintenance here and there but that is not enough to make me spend $30k + on an electric vehicle.

GenerWork
Key part of the article: "But orders from corporate clients — which account for around 70% of the IDs built at the plant — have been plummeting since a federal subsidy for battery-powered company vehicles expired this month, one of the people said."
petee
Is there really any surprise no one wants to pay $45000 for a compact car? What is the profit margin on EVs that its cheaper to not sell cars versus making them affordable and within reach of more customers?

Edit: actually I can't tell if thats their cheapest car, VWs website sucks on mobile so I gave up. You'd think it'd be easy to just show the prices

cs702
Correction: ...as demand for non-Tesla EVs plunges.

Demand for Tesla EVs is... booming. Tesla sold 83% more cars in the most recent quarter than in the same quarter a year ago.[a]

[a] https://digitalassets.tesla.com/tesla-contents/image/upload/...

surfingdino
EVs are a hard sell. Range anxiety is not an issue, but the charging infrastructure is. The cost is also too high for the average buyer at this time.
holoduke
Who is buying a new car these days anyway? Maybe the older generation who are living in their cheap paid off homes. But i dont know anyone below 50 who ever bought a new car. 50k for a small refrigerator? Compared to a 10 year old bigger car for 15k with similar operating costs and no hassle.
bluenose69
If the title had a "their" after the "for", it would make a bit more sense. Maybe people who want e-vehicles are just not interested in VW nowadays.

VW once had quite a lot of brand loyalty, because they made good products and changed them incrementally, according to engineering decisions. That's not true now, with so many different styles being made available that it's hard to keep track, with odd finishing decisions (those horrid screens on the dashboard make it anything but a drivers' car). Heck, I saw a video of a test drive that talked about the gear shifter coming out of its attachment as the driver made an aggressive shift. I drove VWs for years, and I never one thought the gear shifter would come lose.

It seems like MBAs are making decisions at VW, and not driving enthusiasts.

Here's a thought for VW: electrify the car that made you so much money for so many years (the plain golf) and see what happens to your bottom line.

jeremiahbuckley
Considering how many times our 5yo VW has been in the shop for major system breaks, I wouldn’t want to get a whole-new-drivetrain VW without massive warranty protection. We have a 15yo Toyota that’s been in the shop far less.

Plus, (a) reviews for the electric VW aren’t impressed, (b) [charging] network matters, (c) pay the VW “premium” for first-gen tech? Seems like a poor bet.

drumhead
The EU will do what they did when the Japanese car industry was about to crush it, they'll slap tariffs on Chinese EV imports to protect Thier domestic industry until they're in a position to be competitive.
wolverine876
The corporate news is the same story, over and over: Cut 5-15% of workforce because of the 'economy'. Meanwhile the economy keeps doing well, so people are making money.

I suspect there's another reason for the cuts, but the following is just BS. I'm hoping someone knows something substantive - a paper, a book, a term for it, etc.:

I often see a new management philosophy of hyper-aggression and disdain for all but money, treating labor (and nursing home patients, healthcare patients, journalism, students, etc.) as commodities to squeeze rather than contributors (and human beings and social goods) to value; treating profit as an outcome of squeezing every dollar/euro possible from everything rather than innovating productivity for society. No, it hasn't always been that way; remember Silicon Valley leaders treating their employees with respect, with flat hierarchies, 20% time dedicated to personal projects, etc etc.

ggm
I wish there was a law to expose for all products the rate of profit, and the implicit and explicit subsidies. It's impossible to know how EV margins compare to e.g. a minivan or a golf classic ICE.
Nevermark
It is always strange to see a large industry getting disrupted, in slow motion, in plain sight.

The problem is, the leader of a new product direction has not just perfected the new tech, but identified and grown a new market segment and captured a new customer base.

The followers not only have to catch up with technology, but find new market segments with latent customers for their version of the new technology. After the original company scooped up all the low hanging market fruit.

That is a sneaky double whammy they don't plan for when they initially wait things out.

ppetty
New car. Small car. Expensive car. And, electric car. I don’t think this is entirely an electric vehicle issue. Interest rates and high prices for small cars seems bad enough. If the specs were the same & it was gas even at a slightly lower price; I doubt VWs are hot sellers. I think this might be trust related too. It was smart for VW to pivot from previous fuel sources they gamed, but how much do you trust the specs now that they’re EVs?
version_five
Canada has given them an 11 figure subsidy to build EVs here... I wonder how that will play out if there is not the demand.
rj45jackattack
I'm sure current interest rates have nothing to do with it :/
vsskanth
Demand for (VW) EVs plunges. It's important to note that their EVs have been universally panned with reviewers straight up recommending NOT to buy VW EVs due to all the software bugs
bilsbie
Range and price still holding me back. I’d love to own one otherwise.
makeitdouble
> At the same time, Volkswagen is following Tesla, BMW AG and others in exporting an EV from lower-cost China to Europe. Its Cupra brand has announced plans to produce the Tavascan SUV at a factory in Anhui. Built on the same hardware and software platforms as the ID series, the model is due to hit the European market in 2024.

So, once again the only country to manufacture cutting edge technology goods at scale and at a reasonable cost ends up being China.

The geopolitical landscape when China's EV domination fully expends will be something else entirely...

cf141q5325
I am not so sure this is a bad thing. Electric vehicles still seem to be part of the same pattern of planed obsolesce and profitable waste production. Looking at the production and expected lifetime sustainability seems little more then an image from the marketing campaign. Not a surprise but maybe something worth mentioning given the hype.
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panick21_
Its funny how the EU is now 'investigating subsidies' in China.

China has been building this sector for like 30 years.

While Europeans were so proud of their diesel vehicles and how clean they were and the Germany companies endlessly talking about hydrogen and green fuels. While Europe has basically no resource extraction related to batteries or much of any battery refinement for most of that period.

But now that this bears fruit for China the EU is like 'what what what, I though our brilliant hydrogen plan was gone work'.

sr.ht